Arts & Elbows

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Monday, May 22, 2006

Parting of the Waves

Although vaguely agreeing with the post modern ideal of the free use of imagery and symbols there's a bitter taste to the flyer for this event showing nazis having a laugh at the semite on the ground before them. Just why such a potentially offensive image might be used is not clear.
Personal sensitivity aside it's good to see the Community Pharmacy Gallery cranking through the gears to bring us more events. They enjoy a loyal following and offer one of the best atmospheres to be found anywhere on the Island. Hopefully the organisers choice of imagery won't detract from this.
This Friday (26th) Alicia Hoser presents "Moses in Margate", a free event, offering a headstrong mix of performance art, film, Dj's and most oddly, aside from the flyer, a fashion show. It starts at 6pm and will very likely be packed, so get there early.

11 Comments:

Blogger tony flaig said...

Bad taste, this sort of think is obscene in the context discribed, shows how shallow people can be wonder how the originator of this flyer would feel, if they or their family had just had a good kicking or worse.

10:56 PM  
Blogger Artyblartfast said...

Well it is deliberately meant to shock. Afaik the show will have a strong anti-Iraqi war theme and will suggest a connection between that and nazi attrocities.
That's not a defence of it, just a comment.

12:01 AM  
Blogger bosky said...

FAO the Organisers of this Event:::

I'm rather sorry to say ,but glad of the oppourtunity to express utter confusion and disgust in the use of the imagery of this flyer.

I think it most inconsiderate and naive for all concerned to allow the use of such an image to promote ANY sort of event for ANY purpose other than that for the relief of Holocaust victims or their descendants...or say some kind of activity directly related to the Holocaust such as theatrical performance or historical lecture.

There are a lot, LOT more suitable images available from umpteen various sources which would have been far more factually succint and demonstratively more expressive than some feeble attempt to compare the current state of World Affairs with the ridicule of Polish Jews and the ghettoising of their population.

I hope in future more care and consideration you be taken over the constructiton of such work. And in fact would be more than happy to assist or advise both graphically and typographically if any help is required.

All that being said I wish every success to your event and hope that in the future you will also have other similar happenings and best wishes to those of the Scrine Foundation.

2:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what sort of brain dead idiot considers the use of this image suitable for a bleeding 'fashion parade'. The aim of this leaflet has completely failed if it i=had any aim other than some idiot wanting to 'shock' and 'offend'. Cretinous and offensive. I imagine that amnesty etc will be less than happy to find out that they are (apparently...) supporting this event. The 'designer' should learn to think, just a little bit, before they act

8:55 AM  
Blogger onelosthousemate said...

Flyer is actually much better then some of the tat pumped out by the city gallery in leicester.

artyblartfast. Thanks for the comment.

12:58 PM  
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4:48 PM  
Anonymous Alicia Rose said...

'tony flaig' wrote:
Bad taste, this sort of think
is obscene in the context discribed, shows how shallow people can be wonder how the originator of this flyer would feel, if they or their family had just had a good kicking


Hmm, family members of the "originator of this flyer" received more than just "a good kicking" at
the feet of the Nazis - they were exterminated in death camps.

Your "taste" threshold is of little concern to a descendant of holocaust survivors. They have no need for your permission to not only aim this grotesque image back at the prejudice it arose from but at
those who today hijack the repugnance it provokes as justification for doing precisely the same to their 'Untermensch'.

Dehumanization of the foreign, the oppressed, the 'other' - this extends beyond tasteful history books. Given the lessons of history, what is "obscene" is our selectivity
as to whom we reprimand for such crimes now.

'bosky' wrote:
I think it most inconsiderate and naive for all concerned to allow the use of such an image to promote ANY sort of event for ANY purpose other than that for the relief of Holocaust victims or their descendants.

It is precisely your brand of "naivety" that this event is addressing. Namely, the monopoly on outrage and victimhood that the powerful assign to their own whilst crushing underfoot in similarly ghastly ways those who get in the way of current 'Lebensraum'
policies.

As another holocaust survivor descendant, Norman Finkelstein http://www.normanfinkelstein.com
has demonstrated in 'The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the exploitation of Jewish suffering'
and the just released 'Beyond Chutzpah: On the misuse of anti-semitism and the abuse of history' - the 'contrived controversy' which the state and
media obligingly align themselves with is useful for those who would like to steer all criticism away from their own butchery...these days we rarely even count the victims. They are dismissed merely as 'collateral damage'.

There are a lot, LOT more suitable images available

Oh really, like what? Some nice, cozy non-threatening do-nothing visual metaphors perhaps? Aggression is aggression is aggression - as practiced by individuals and mobs of individuals all the way up to superpowers and their client states.

Look instead to your own desire for polite, sanitized observations. Compare and contrast with the
shoulder-shrugging that accompanies and is even required for state terror to proceed - as it did over
sixty years ago. As it does now.

'Anonymous' wrote:
what sort of brain dead idiot considers the use of this image suitable for a bleeding 'fashion parade' [...] Cretinous and offensive.

What rule-book for the "brain dead idiot" are you reading from that determines how "suitable" any image is? The Daily Express perhaps? - A fashion parade for the "cretinous" and willfully offended if ever there was one.

The aim of this leaflet has completely failed

The attention thus far, to which you have contributed, would suggest otherwise...

12:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course the flyer is insensitive, innapropriate and deeply offensive, only a complete fool would think an image of a Jew being abused in a ghetto is an appropriate image for any other use than to educate people about the horrors of the Holocaust.

The fact that the so called 'designer' of the flyer has used the response that members of her family died in the Holocaust as a way of defending hereself against criticism is telling.

This is exactly the same argument that PETA used to attempt to deflect the criticism and offense generated by the Holocaust on Your Plate campaign, in which photographs of Jews in the death camps were compared to photos of animals in factory farms.

The 'designer' (let's face it the actual design is terrible apart from anything else) is not the only person to have lost family members in the Holocaust. I have many relatives who I will never meet and many who were never born because of the Holocaust, this does not however give me the entitlement to use photographic evidence of the Shoa to promote a fashion event.

This flyer has succeeded in generating much hurt and offense and the designer's protestations that the only alternative to this image would be something cosy and sanatized is illogical and nonsensical. To suiggest that the choice of images for this flyer consisted of photographs of Jews being abused in the Holocaust or say, kittens, is completely bonkers.

There are no shortages of images of the war in Iraq. Duuur! Why not use them to promote an event aimed at stopping the war? Hardly rocket science is it?

8:36 AM  
Blogger bosky said...

"Namely, the monopoly on outrage and victimhood that the powerful assign to their own whilst crushing underfoot in similarly ghastly ways those who get in the way of current 'Lebensraum'
policies."

HA!HA!HA!...like Israel dunt do that?...ooooooooh no! LOL

"Look instead to your own desire for polite, sanitized observations."

Okay...your abilities to produce a flyer are shit. The choice of imagery and fonts are appalling...as is your skills in composition.

All I see is a flyer that advertises the Palastinian dominations of Jews via a filched pictures from a Shoah site...ha!ha!ha!...seems as you didn't get your message across very well does it?...funny as fuck! :p

Nah I won't attend anti-Arab promotions..especially when the Anti_Arab agenda is so viciously defended as sucha 'great, I am' production.

Btw for what it is worth I spent most of my childhood being called a Nazi simply becasue it was common knowledge I was born in Germany....40 years and counting. :rollseyes:..even been disallowed a passport and a driving licience for the last5 years...so fucking wot?!

*desanitized enuff for you?

1:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apart....Just apart from the use of Nazi imagery, this flyer "design" proves the person is no artist, just a 'chancer' like a lot of the other '----ers' in this town who lever funding from the system by nepotistic lick spittle means.....
Disgusting, I hope there was no funding involved??? What! You are joking.... God help us...

1:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've never heard or read such silliness. Is this a blog for adults?

First, when evaluatihg images, EVERYONE brings their own value judgements to it. It is always subjective. We see different things based on our own experiences. There are obviously people here with their own axe to grind about a number of issues let alone this flyer.

Secondly this event itself. It's fairly obvious someone is making a statement. About what? Injustice? perceptions? The 'Moses in Margate' seems to focus around the Jewish character being trampled on by the soldiers. That seems to highlight and define one aspect of it.

I also read it is to be a fashion show, and have music and poetry. And given it is supoorted by Amnesty International, among others, this might have somethign to do with the notion of civil liberites.

Given the current global climate, I'd think we should all consider our civil liberites. Of course the first step in the erosion of civil liberties is everyone bitching about 'the other', no matter who they are.

Brief responses: My family has had a kicking by a variety of different cultural groups over the years. This includes the British, the Muslims and the Indian state. I don't find this poster offensive.

I'm happy at any anti-war sentiment, as I'm not proud to live in the UK, where we are co-responsible for spending billions every month to kill people, occupy Iraq, and kill 10s of thousands to millions of Iraqi people. But this is England, where we've often committed mass murder abroad and ignored our involvement, right?

And why is this imagery ONLY approproate to the Holocaust? A good many communities have suffered being 'shat upon' by the state's sponsors of terror, the soldiers.

And instead of condemning the artists behind this poster as cretinous, why not try to find out what they sought to represent? UNless you are telepathic and all-seeing?

But no, just keep throwing your stones. Or rather, pebbles.

I've often read blogs, and never before felt obligated to comment on people's writing as petty gossip. Is there really nothing else for you to write letters of complaint about? I suggest you get back to writing to your local newspaper about the use of speed calming measures or somewhat equally trivial whinging.

Instead of complaining about people's attempts at doing something, DO something yourselves!

Art SHOULD be open to criticism, but to complain about the flyer to this degree is to judge the record by it's cover without ever listening to the music.

Go ahead. You make it sound like you are a bunch of petty-minded provincials.

And yes, I am from London, not a local, and we're lucky that we get a wide enough choice of events not to have to complain about those few that are being arranged. Don't like it? Don't attend!

7:18 PM  

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